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The only podcast in the world that’s going to help you better understand marketing for learning® fundamentals and help you tackle your learner engagement problem once and for all! Hosted by Ashley Sinclair and Hannah Waddams, this podcast comprises of short bursts of learning and insights to help you embrace marketing tactics, strategies and thinking. Marketing for learning. It’s our business. www.maas-marketing.co.uk
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A marketer? On our podcast? Wowzers. We were lucky enough to get some airtime with the Marketing Director at Manpower Group to talk about her own marketing challenges, strategy and her perspective on how employee demands are changing. Sharp, to the point and incredibly talented, in this candid conversation Laura shares her own marketing challenges (and how they're still scarily similar to L&D's). It's a good un.
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Wednesday Nov 29, 2023
Ep 69 - Hire a Marketer to Do a Marketer’s Job
Wednesday Nov 29, 2023
Wednesday Nov 29, 2023
So, you've finally got some headcount for a marketing person to join your L&D team. HOW EXCITING!! Don't fall into the trap of hiring someone who could eventually do the job. Instead, hire a real marketer if you really want your marketing for learning® to be successful.
*Cue Ashley rant*

Thursday Nov 23, 2023
Ep 68 - It’s Our Birthday!
Thursday Nov 23, 2023
Thursday Nov 23, 2023
Two years. TWO YEARS! Two whole years of the marketing for learning® podcast. So this week Ash & Han team up for a joint episode to discuss anything and everything L&D, from AI, recruitment and embracing marketing for learning (shock!)
So strap in for a great catch up with this pineapple-loving duo, and we apologise in advance for all the cackling... they just had too much fun 🥳
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Wednesday Nov 15, 2023
Ep 67 - Completions Vs. Competency
Wednesday Nov 15, 2023
Wednesday Nov 15, 2023
In an uncharacteristic turn of events, Han has a bee in her bonnet in this episode. Talking (ranting) about L&D's obsession with completion rates, Han explains why learning professionals should be thinking beyond tick boxes and smile sheets – and look towards real behavioural and performance change.
Enjoy this bitesized snack for your ear'oles.

Wednesday Nov 08, 2023
Ep 66 - Gen AI and L&D with Egle Vinauskite
Wednesday Nov 08, 2023
Wednesday Nov 08, 2023
Wtf is Gen AI and how is it going to impact L&D? Ash was lucky to sit down with leading Gen AI expert, Egle Vinauskite, to discuss her lens on L&D and AI. How it can be used, how it might be used in the future, and the challenges that this is going to bring to us as a learning function.
Heck we even talk about the repercussions on IP and creativity. It's a goodun!
This is a meaty conversation and we all learnt a lot - GET THAT IN YOUR EAR'OLES!

Wednesday Nov 01, 2023
Ep 65 - Storytelling In Marketing For Learning
Wednesday Nov 01, 2023
Wednesday Nov 01, 2023
Think storytelling is just for kids? Think again! Stories make up a huge part of our everyday lives – and they should make up a huge part of your marketing for learning initiatives too! In this podcast Han covers all things storytelling. Including:
- The 5 elements of all great stories
- The Heider Simmel experiment
- Sharing some inspo from 2 incredible companies!
Happy listening!

Monday Oct 23, 2023
Ep 64 - How To Use Personas In Your L&D Function
Monday Oct 23, 2023
Monday Oct 23, 2023
Your fav duo are back for a joint pod on a much-requested topic: How to actually use learner personas. 🤔
Now you've got to grips with creating your personas, it's time to figure out how to actually use them in reality. So Han & Ash are here to help you navigate exactly that. Enjoy!
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Tuesday Oct 17, 2023
Ep 63 - Mirjam Neelen & Evidence-Based Strategies
Tuesday Oct 17, 2023
Tuesday Oct 17, 2023
Cor. What a chat. Ashley was lucky enough to be joined by Mirjam Neelen, Head of Global Learning Design and Learning Sciences at Novartis recently. Mirjam has been working in L&D for over 15 years and is an incredibly data-led L&Der - she's a champion for learning sciences and how we can use data to drive impact and make better informed decisions overall.
It's a fascinating discussion on how we structure our learning functions and how, whether using data, can actually have a positive impact on our approaches. And of course, there's some marketing magic sprinkled in 🍍
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Monday Oct 09, 2023
Ep 62 - People, Personas and Marketing Permission
Monday Oct 09, 2023
Monday Oct 09, 2023
Han's been off gallivanting in recent weeks, and in a desperate attempt to prove she actually did some work, she's recorded this podcast with her top 4 takeaways from 2 incredible networking events she attended. Including why:
- L&D need to become more customer centric
- You do need personas.
- Asking forgiveness not permission is a marketers mantra 😉
So settle in for a different kind of pod this week, but one that will get your brain juices flowing for sure!
LINKS:
- Han's LinkedIn
- L&D Disrupt Podcast from HowNow

Wednesday Oct 04, 2023
Ep 61 - Marketing vs Communications
Wednesday Oct 04, 2023
Wednesday Oct 04, 2023
Campaigns. Marketing. Comms. All of these things are not the same, and it's time we address their differences. In this short session, Ash explores the difference between marketing and comms and why both are essential to be part of our marketing for learning® mix.