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The world's only podcast dedicated to marketing for learning®. Short, sharp episodes packed with tactics, strategies and fresh thinking to finally crack your learner engagement problem. Hosted by Ashley Hinchcliffe, founder of MAAS Marketing.
The world's only podcast dedicated to marketing for learning®. Short, sharp episodes packed with tactics, strategies and fresh thinking to finally crack your learner engagement problem. Hosted by Ashley Hinchcliffe, founder of MAAS Marketing.
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Friday Jul 04, 2025
S2:E3 - Your Learners Are People. Start Treating Them Like It.
Friday Jul 04, 2025
Friday Jul 04, 2025
Too many L&D teams are building content for “learners” — not people.
In this episode, Ash and Han dive into the one thing that makes or breaks every learning initiative: knowing your audience. Not their job title. Not their LMS login history. But what actually drives them.
They unpack:
- Why “employees” and “learners” aren’t real personas
- How to ask the right people the right questions (and avoid confirmation bias)
- What to do with audience research once you’ve got it — and how to avoid building blind
So, if you’re still building learning based on job titles, gut feel, or “what we’ve always done” — this one’s for you. Because relevance starts with understanding. And understanding starts here.
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