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The world's only podcast dedicated to marketing for learning®. Short, sharp episodes packed with tactics, strategies and fresh thinking to finally crack your learner engagement problem. Hosted by Ashley Hinchcliffe, founder of MAAS Marketing.
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Aug 23, 2024
Aug 23, 2024
18 min
Competitions are a great tactic to boost engagement, right!? Welllllllll... Han disagrees. And in this podcast episode she explains why. Listen in to learn more about:
- The cobra effect
- The pitfalls of incentivising learning
- When you can use competitions or incentives (but Han is still reluctant!)
LINKS:
- Han's Linkedin
- The AIDAL episode of the podcast
- And a lil' shout out to Tom McDowall and his podcast, Instructional Design Tips

Aug 16, 2024
Aug 16, 2024
22 min
Ever struggle to find inspiration for your marketing for learning efforts? 🤔 Well in this episode Han's going to help you put a stop to that. For 17 hours she took note of all of the adverts she saw, and now in this episode, she's translating them into inspiration for YOUR marketing for learning campaigns. Ain't she great?!
LINKS:
- Han's LinkedIn profile
- Grace Beverley's Podcast, Working Hard, Hardly Working
- Boot's latest TV advert

Aug 9, 2024
Aug 9, 2024
15 min
Want to better understand what in the heckiddy heck your people are doing on your learning platforms? Then you need to start monitoring bounce rate. Ashley tells all in this short, exploratory episode!

Aug 2, 2024
Aug 2, 2024
9 min
No, Han hasn't had a complete leave of her senses while Ash is away. But she really does think there are some instances where marketing won't help L&D... particularly if:
- Your learning experience is pants
- You haven't changed your thinking
- You aren't thinking long-term!
So if you want to know the pitfalls to avoid, this ep is for you. Happy listening! 🍍

Jul 26, 2024
Jul 26, 2024
10 min
What if we told you that we have one, really easy trick to make your learning land better with your audience? Well you're in luck. Because that's exactly what Han's bringing to the podcast today. And it's all about terminology. If you want to get them to walk the walk, you've gotta talk their talk.
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Jul 19, 2024
Jul 19, 2024
21 min
The question of the day: Why is engagement still L&D's biggest challenge? Well it's no surprise that Han's got an opinion on this topic and she's here to give her two cents (including the fact she doesn't think marketing for learning® is the sole solution to the engagement challenge).

Jul 12, 2024
Jul 12, 2024
14 min
Every time Pinocchio lied, his nose got longer. The outputs and impact of his lie was immediate. And although that stopped Pinocchio lying, might bringing the outputs and impact of learning into the immediate term make people learn MORE? Han thinks so, and in this episode, she explains why.
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Jul 5, 2024

Jun 28, 2024
Jun 28, 2024
10 min
Has Han lost the plot? Or should L&D really be eating dog food?
OK. She doesn't mean it literally, but eating your own dog food means using your product or service in the way a user would use it. And that means that L&D need to start learning – using the platforms and services we want our people to use.
This bitesized episode will help you understand why using your own learning products helps L&D teams:
- Market their offering accurately and authentically
- Improve empathy with their target audience
- Enhance, tweak and adapt their learning products.
Happy listening!

Jun 21, 2024
Jun 21, 2024
14 min
Have you heard the news? We won the Awareness Campaign of the Year award at the British Training Awards with our friends at Capgemini University! 🎉 But no, this isn’t a pod of us blowing our own trumpet – Han’s letting you in on the secrets that made this campaign so, SO impactful. Including
- Why getting marketing involved from programme inception is so important
- How learner personas were key to success
- The difference long-term planning made to this project
So, get this pod in your ear’oles to see how you can make your next marketing for learning initiative truly impactful!
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